Alright, so our next presenter is somebody
who has got a Ph.D.
in languages and cultures from the University of Florida.
He's a Spanish phone translator, an expert in migration law.
She worked at the tourist service of the Alhambra
and as the press service of the Department of Community
and Social Affairs of the Andalusian Regional Government of Cordova
and at contemporary art exhibitions in Malaga
to the traineeship with the Immigration Department
of the Central Government Office in Malaga
and at the direction General of Translation
in the European Union in the European Commission in Luxembourg.
She was awarded a two year scholarship in the
Department of Tourism of the Andalusian Regional Government,
and she collaborated as a proofreader
and transcriber for the Institute of International Refugees
in Seville.
Besides working as a freelance translator.
She started in 2008 as a passionate scholar
for the community that probably even seven
and since 2009 has been a full time scholar at the university that.
She's a member of the research team audience studies having studied
approximately in the Mediterranean and has completed several
in several international research space in multiple universities
through Smith College, Northampton, Massachusetts, University of Work.
And some are collaborating
with a research group in Computational Linguistics and Leuven University.
She's the co-director of the LOGGIA and Assistant
director of Telemedicine, Milwaukee Vocal
and Research Interests.
Translation of Contemporary and Intercultural Translation, Legal
translation and translation and Agenda.
And besides, she got time to come to this conference.
Okay, so thank you very much. And
I hope that feeling that this time, this tension, you.
You understood it.
You understood it perfectly. All right.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much for the assistance.
And commitment. Presentation.
Thank you so much for having my my dissertation for Thank you so much
for the work that you made in the organizing committee.
And, of course, I would like to thank especially to Antonio De Niro.
For the first time.
I had professional support and advice during this presentation.
Okay, so first of all, I have to say that
I'm I'm I'm a beginner in this in this field.
So I knew C and I take translation audiovisual translation in my classes
because I got the feeling that
it was something that make it in legal translation was something
that from the very beginning made its students very anxious.
So I started to to learn
by experience a lot that when
films or series were used in my classroom,
all the terminology was better at choir.
So I started just to to to try to read a little bit about it.
And then I, I got to to know Félix,
thanks so much, because I just started to read previous work
for you.
And at the same time I realized
I wanted to, to make my, my field legal translation.
That is my specialization with the, the gender, the gender approach.
So these are just the the framework all my, my previous steps
and the first one is systematically in our in our case, in any Korea,
we have to introduce the gender approach in our classes,
but nobody tells you how to do it.
So we have a lot of plans, study plans such as very figure
and even something that is macro, that is the millennium goals
in which it is included, promote gender equality and empower women.
And at the same time, during decades,
our translation of standards and laws and legal studies claim
that the language that is used to trials is not accept aseptic.
So translation of this language is metastatic that all
of course,
for us our Achilles heel is their thematic competence.
I I'm going to use a classification of you from 2002
and the the one just to make sense.
And at the same time international lawyers
that go to legal translation seminars,
they are claiming for a linguistic competence to develop
a to improve their linguistic competence.
But they have something in common and they're the specialists
and in both fields, because sometimes when we talk about translation,
we always claim for our statutes are professionals
and we are a specialist and we have we shared these
this aims with the international lawyers
or lawyers to have to deal with comparative law.
So both of us, translators and lawyers need this.
What I value, what terminology
to work and the comparison of legal systems to work.
So after dipping a little bit,
I started
to to I realized that the
the when on many papers on legal translation what they use
of the official translation to legal translation classroom
only I found one by continuous court on
and there was a previous paper
by most on their books
on virtual learning in the legal translation classroom
and but it it it was very effective
according to results from several papers like that.
It's giving your comparative idea and among others,
that things were very useful in the legal
and the legal classroom, in law school and at the center.
And of course, we have to relax that for for
for many years, and especially during this project
and that have shown how effective foreign language,
how effective the didactic approach
of artificial translation to foreign language learning was.
So I decided justice to to do to a little experiment myself.
And by applying the subtitle inside translation and just to
to to get advantage of the of them
multi modality of a film by frozen the by freezing they under
the images in the legal translation classroom.
So I used to do films about divorce family law
but today I'm going to focus just on grammar versus grammar.
I'm going to read very, very quickly the plot.
I of course I know that most of you will know exactly
because these are classic and very famous film.
On the same day the advertising gets like kids
to cram in lunch, the biggest account of his career.
He learns that his wife Joanna, is leaving him and their son Billy,
forced to racism.
Ted loses his job but gains a stronger relationship
with the time when Joanna returns to clean custody.
The court battle successful and everyone concerned
is famous pleura the psychology of divorce.
And that's up on social issues such as gender
roles, women's rights, feminism, fathers rights, parenting.
They balance work life balance.
We have to through the work with that in the academia and single parents.
Okay.
As my general objective, um,
I selected
the one side you have on the slide
to promote the development of the translation of macro competence
following the study or the classification of vertically
from discussing and to that was ex professor of the only BCI
of the another
to prove
side translation of the title seems to stimulate
meaning of abduction capacity and reality situation
through a strong linguist in many codes
to raise awareness of the importance of audio visual translation
for the transfer of cultural knowledge and assignment of teaching.
A specialized translation and to be able to be more precise
regarding the field.
So learn about divorce and recourse to the proceedings
in the United States in the 20th and 21st centuries
to work with terminology a communicative skills
using the American divorce proceeding in a specialized basis
that will lead reality to develop critical thinking regarding sex
bias among parents in American society in the 1970s
to develop by culture on a strategy competence
when confronting the disparities between Anglo-Saxon and Spanish
legal culture, school films, scenes that reflect the customs and practices
in American family law.
So encourage a students to work with greater concentration
through the constraints of subtitling, and finally,
to encourage a more active role of the English language learner
for a specific purpose in this in this case,
not only a service Europe, but also as a continent producer
book.
My little study
consisted of just a group of students of 17 students of the third year of
of the course intercultural translation.
Although the interest rate and integrity and were equal
to the law, we selected two films and would just display
in the analysis and the result of quality versus grammar.
And what I recommended to Ms.
to them is to download one of these application
we selected for the specific a study.
I hope because it looked a little bit
easier for us, and I strongly recommend
to all the audience to use their tutorial in depth.
F by agreeable so that this choir is
quite interesting and useful if you don't have much time
to explain the application and then to put into practice in the classroom.
So I don't know what I did wrong
then.
Okay, yeah, we are okay.
This is a methodology.
I I'm going to need a lot of feedback about my methodologies
and errors, mistakes, etc.
So that's why I came to Madrid to learn.
Okay, so I started with a warm up
following the methodology of Taliban, let let alone let
by using parallel text and that site isolation resources.
Then we moved to the video between eight task
editing construction in and then we we finish with the contrast analysis
with the official dubbing and subtitling I used filming.
It was a very interesting selection because they have the dubbing
from the eighties in Spain, in Spain,
and then they subtitling from the 21st century.
So I know going to to the end spoiler.
But you will see that there were many difference between
their translation for that being and the translation for the society
and to collate the data for the study itself.
We used five questionnaires,
a pretext plus test questionnaire on gender
protests, a post-test on culture, and the last one just on
the macro competence of competence.
Translation Macro competence.
Okay, this is
the case study I'm going to show.
I would like to to
just to show you exactly that scene.
I don't know if it's going to work.
This cross fingers policy could be how you go.
Mm hmm.
Photos definitely need to represent the lesson,
but if it's in this country, we're really better with it, I think.
What was the longest personal relationship in your life
outside of your parents or girlfriends?
I suppose that would be with my child.
Whom you were seeing twice in a year.
Mr. Kramer,
your ex-husband, wasn't he the longest personal relationship
in your life?
Would you speak of Mr. Kramer?
I couldn't hear you. Yes.
How long was that?
We were married a year before the baby.
And then seven years after that.
So you were a failure at the one most important relationship in your life.
Overruled.
The witnesses opinion on this is relevant.
I was not a failure.
Oh, what do you call it?
Was success.
The marriage ended in divorce.
I consider it less my failure than his.
Congratulations, Mrs.
Kramer, You've just rewritten matrimonial law.
You were both divorced.
Objection, Your Honor.
I would like to ask about this model of stability
and respectability has ever succeeded.
That were you a failure at the one most important
personal relationship in your life?
It did not succeed.
Not at Mrs. Kramer.
You where you failure at the one most important relationship in your life.
Where are you?
Okay.
I think it's.
I think it's enough.
We all want to suffer more.
Okay.
We used the examination of the gross ammunition.
This is just a little part of the process combination.
The second step and this is the warm up, as has already mentioned,
we we started with the reading of three texts,
one or two in a Spanish translation of divorce.
I got off, but all that is classical and then the history of woman in this
in the seventies in Spain
and one English one on the history of marriage in the United States
from the colonial period to LA until the current days
and then must not translation So these are still they are the
different sex I used
m for the same translation.
I would like to read this specific part because I, I only
found some information about this translation in the interpretation
classroom, but never in the legal translation classroom.
And for me it was very useful because
the students have to
to apply their strategy competence
without our previous entire viewing.
So they have to react very quickly.
What I did is just to to the phrase their image, and they have to
very quickly, they have to reformulate into Spanish, add to subtitles.
And sometimes they didn't know the terminology from the very beginning,
but they have to improvise.
And after that, of course,
we have their subtitling translation task itself.
But it was a way yet to make them to
develop this intrinsic motivation to be more concentrated
as something that is very difficult.
When you have like four windows opening, you're in your computer.
Okay, This is the beauty of Medium.
I selected this specific Sam,
because this is there is a similar asymmetry of power
between the the petitioner and the defendant's lawyer.
She is on the stand and the other one is harshly interviewing her.
And by using
several
stereotypes about sex and several stereotypes
about the American culture, about success and failure.
So this is the language which this human society so tightly.
They did it in in groups of two or three people
and after that,
we started they proceeded by comparing official dubbing and subtitling.
And we found very interesting things such as reformulation
since I started you way in the case of subtitling
and in the Darwin we found errors and with the error study
they have the have to do with them
the protocols and protocols
and they are linguistic error themselves.
All progress on the facilities, cards
from an English slap back office in their conversations.
Sustained.
Not to me that up to this transition quite the opposite ends
something that is from this period of the seventies in the Spain
that these they euphemistic expression boyfriends
that literally means male friendships
so in the Derby they use Amistad as masculine
to refer to lovers and to refer to boyfriends.
So this is there.
There is results.
I abstain.
And regarding gender, we didn't follow
many difference as so I learned that my
my students are very aware of the gender gender approach.
They, they, they have a very open mind.
So the only question the show
significant is that it is statistically significant
response was the last one about the behavior of the of the judge.
So the question was a look with the other reversal of marital markets
along it didn't apply to Kamala Harris at the beginning.
In a pretest stage, they say, yes, but after that,
why value in a rate from 1 to 5?
They decided that the woman she didn't look
very much care for by the by the judge.
And even and in several part of the movie,
it was the judge together
with their defense, the lawyer that kind of harassed, harass, had not
in the
to question of of cultural history a legal proceeding on divorce.
Their results were magnificent.
I was super happy with this because for me, it was super difficult
to make them acquire the terminology called semantic competence.
And these are the results.
So you can see that there was a huge increase
in, they may think a matter that's motivated with their with the subject.
So and and this is something
that I'm going to read thanks to Antonio signifies help
because it's is statistically based
one second
because we found something very very interesting
this is the
there is
a remarkable law is starting the scoring
and the striking increase in the post activity questionnaire score.
So cultural historical legal knowledge has increased very, very considered
consider verbally.
But although in my question about gender,
I wasn't very sexual with my starting hypothesis has more than I have.
All my question on all legal, cultural, historical staff
was about the history of women.
So they didn't know a lot.
They didn't have many ideas about how the history of woman was,
how was lived in the in the history of the humanity,
how women were, how men have felt,
how was there the role gender as.
So it was something very significant for me.
So if you ask them directly about gender, of course they are going to say,
of course we are very aware of that.
But if we ask about the history of woman or what happened
during the seventies with women that work in Spain,
did they work outside or at home?
They didn't know.
So for me, it was something striking.
And I think I'm going to go forward with these results and about
And just the last part of that is the
the post-test a questionnaire on translation competence.
It was very successful A in all they call
micro competence, somatic communicative, professional psycho
physiological interpersonal strategy, cultural.
So yes, I do agree with you,
Charlie likes that it works very, very well.
And this is my conclusion.
Of course, they are very preliminary Respondent Gender awareness high.
But their knowledge of sex
biosynthesis not the didactic proposal was to identify sex.
This needs in the view and I just suggest
to according to just one, I do not judge behavior in the gender question.
And another thing in the culture questionnaires,
cultural questionnaires, they seem pose challenge
to entering forces to this understanding
of the legal English with social awareness, cultural questions.
So it's using acquire specialized terminology.
They understood legal concepts, dealt with the constraint
of subtitling and used specialized software.
Learn how to about the custom, the habits of the American
Spanish system and interacted with peers and yes, in 4 hours. So
this is something I'm
going to repeat, of course, and in the future,
what I would like to do, because I'm very curious about,
well, what would be the results
in the law degree with legal, legalistic.
And so I would like
to replicate this proposal, which allows a student to determine
if they they have the same gender awareness as translation studies
do they have
and I say that because in our Sofia field of with course with Tanya
is claiming that the gender training is very needed
in the in the legal practitioner training.
So I think audio visual translation apply in legal translation.
That could be a good tool to, to, to get that.
And then I would like to use this proposal in the future
in a specialized seminar for lawyers, because for them
they can obtain, of course, and develop
linguistic competence, legal competence, cultural competence
all together in a very motivational way.
So thank you so much.
I will be more than happy to answer your questions.
Thank you very much for a remarkable presentation.
You mentioned your students were and she said, What legal translation?
So am I.
When I hear legal translation,
especially grammar versus grammar, I get under pressure.
A couple of comments before we give the floor to the audience.
I think
finding
or doing topical research is very important.
It is something we all try to do, but finding innovative
areas, that means identifying research is even more important.
And you have found
a field which has been, to my knowledge, under researched
or it is not hasn't been sufficiently extralegal translation.
And again, their perspectives show that these very important and
these mentioned again we were talking about this morning about was it.
Yes it is morning yet.
Yes. Sorry, it is the morning. I'm sorry.
So today we were talking about and all of us detests, etc..
When you work with small samples. Yes.
This is all all you can do.
You need very large samples to do, as we call it, complicated statistics.
Okay.
With this
amount of a
students something I discovered a couple of years ago is focus
groups work very nicely.
When you work with your only students, when you do focus groups,
they will provide you with not not data.
You can replicate, alright, but you will understand much better
the insights because with focus groups it is a more ethnographic action
research approach, which is very interesting with with my students.
And of course, yes, I encourage you to to include all experimental
research questions from the audience.
Because.
It's okay to.
Do. It.
So it's no, no, it's not just a question.
It's a proposal.
Because I have been talking with Jennifer
about how interesting dealing with law, gender
and that expert which translation is,
and perhaps I think because they are in Nevada
mentoring talent and they are specialized in law
and economics and these sort of disciplines. So
I think that there could be international collaboration.
Just to be the both perspective.
How do you think that people are studying in law will receive that?
And people say no escaping.
We perceive that and even the distinguished translators.
What do you think about that?
So, Jennifer, if you went on something.
Yeah. Yes, I will.
I'm more than happy to do that, but I don't know
what is the atmosphere
in law school, so I don't know
what is the atmosphere in law school in Cordoba, for example.
But I would like to to come to sound someone
because I know they have compared law, for example, as a subject.
And what else?
International private law.
International public knows for sure what is usually the
the comparison between the Spanish and Italian system as far as I know,
I'm not an expert, but I've heard some colleagues
from Richland, you know, in in my university,
and they were saying that they actually can make even double degrees
because Italian and Spanish system they you know, somehow.
Yeah.
So I think it will be a nice collaboration.
Why, of course we can talk about it.
But yes, I do have students of law
and also they study, which is the students of economics.
What I think would be nice, and especially because I think from
the young and then the second year.
So they are 19 years old. 20 years old.
And from my impression in Japan in five
or six lectures, we had recently is that's it.
The gender perspective is very far from them.
So it has been very interesting because we were talking about
the gender gap and it was interesting to listen to the answer.
So I think it would be a very nice and nice collaboration.
But of course we can talk about about it later.
And the question which I actually got the answer,
I got a glimpse of the first page of the references,
because you mentioned at the very beginning
that you only found reference about subtitling, but that was past device.
Can you please?
Yes, it was. If there is like to think
anything of it.
Yes. Just as well.
Yes. When she, you know,
20 years cordone.
So it was passive subtitling.
I mean they didn't use active.
Yes, it was passive.
They didn't use subtitling as a practice inside a classroom.
It's only subtitles. A support.
Yeah. Yes. That was my question.
If you by any chance you found anything about active?
So just passive.
Okay, that's. That's great. Thank you. Yes.
There weren't rare works about everything.
About online platforms,
business, virtualization and e-learning.
My nothing to do with the translation inside,
but it was very much develop in in law
the use of films, but no dubbing or subtitling. Yes.
I mean passive just I mean to a certain extent I think
because when I started teaching
law, students were there with economics so different.
I mean, they need to do something that would work with both.
But it's difficult actually to find ISP material.
I think for law students. I don't know if it is
the same.
Yes. And that's guess as would absolutely something many, many times
I have to organize my own curriculum by my own you something very graphic.
Woman okay.
Thank you very much.
Thanks to you.
And thank you very much.
Antonio.
Thank you very much for this endeavor to produce
in a very
supportive something that you said
I found very interesting that we as teachers are obliged
or have to implement the the gender approach.
And we don't we never told how.
And this is really, you know, a very big challenge for us.
So congratulations on Your Honor, your very nice in there.
I was going to ask you because you talked about grammar contract grammar.
Can you tell us any other film that you could suggest
that focuses on the gender studies or TV series or
or something that you saying that could be?
Well, of course we have.
And the other one that I mentioned during my presentation
that this marriage story is study of the matrimonial
that is
very useful if you are translating
divorce judgments, for example.
And at the same time there is a part that is super good
and very surprising
and in which the petitioner lawyer
that is a woman is say to the to the
to the petitioner, the come on, you have to wake up.
WOMAN We are not to say you if you are a mother,
you had to be like the beauty marry something like this.
So just forget about being very honest in the trial.
You have to pretend to be a very strict mother
and be perfect because of course, man,
that things are not the same is an equal and you have to forget about
will be honest inside the trial because you are very naive.
So this part of the the of the film I, I,
I found this part of the film very, very, very useful because it's
just some monologue about how women are much, much
forced
to pretend to be perfect, even in the 21st century
during a trial about the custody of children.
But bearable.
This is one.
And then, for example, for to go see.
Yes, yes.
I think most of the films in serious have some gender bias
or negative
on the basis of sex as this one.
Just the the main plot is about these.
So it's just the the film is about gender.
So. Well, definitely the most successful result of that
don't the gender approach will be the day
when when there is no gender approach to talk about.
Yeah that that will be that will be a day in the future I guess.
Yes. So that's why this is another motivation of all the trans
apart from the
translation, this is a fight.
So every day and in evening in these classes
that are supposed to be like compare laws anti super serious archaic.
No, you can do it.
We have we have HBO, we have film, we have Netflix.
And the only thing that you have to select and then contact.
Congratulations. You're welcome.
Thank you. Thank you very much. Probably something.